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Thursday, April 02, 2009

John Crowder coming to Austin!

Ok ya all, hand over heart, this is something your not gonna want to miss! First off i read John's book "The New Mystics" about 3 years ago, and LOVED IT......... i'm a bit of a Mystic so, for me it blessed my socks off. so, yeah, - love the thick teaching on it... - but ........ even more than that, he's been doing a Drunk'in Glory Fest of sorts round the country....... and it's edgy..... YES- i'm not gonna make a apology about it....... but it's got some Gold on it tooooooo! I'm a drinker, in the natural and in the Spirit- so to me...... this makes sense, cuz ya can't just do life in God with just your head. Jesus was radical and His first Miracle was turning water into wine. Well, since we are like 70% water, brain chemicals, and such, ----- i'd like Jesus to turn me into Wine! So come on out...... if your in Austin on :
Thursday, April 23, 2009 @ 7:00pm
Friday, April 24, 2009 @ 10:00pm
Brushy Creek Church
10700 Anderson Mill Rd, Suite 150
Austin, TX

also, our house is open for crashing, resting, thinking and just being during it.
we live right around the corner from the church.
Blessings ya all!
xo cat

10 comments:

  1. Hi Phil and Cathryn. Would you consider the possibility of extreme danger in mixing “worldly revelry” in with Christian worship as an improper familiarity with the Most High God? I have in mind the antics of John Crowder and others like him.

    The Bible does not assert the Holy Spirit being at our disposal to give “bliss sessions” and other flesh pleasures similar to sex lust.

    Titus 2:11-13 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, DENYING ungodliness and WORLDLY LUSTS, we should live SOBERLY, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

    God wants us to have a RIGHT HEART and SOBER MIND that PURSUES TRUTH, not a wallowing in EXPERIENCES and abandonment of self control.

    Psalm 86:11 Teach me your way, O LORD, and I will walk in your truth; give me an undivided heart, that I may FEAR YOUR NAME.

    1 Peter 1:13-17 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, BE SOBER, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the FORMER LUSTS, as in your ignorance; but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.” And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear.

    If God has given instruction and counsel in a book (Bible), then it is no good ignoring the book and insisting God must give those instructions another way such as dreams/visions, angels, etc.

    In that disobedience the devil can turn up to deceive, or worse, God may hand you over to delusions (2Thess 2:11) for not loving the truth (reading and following Bible instruction).

    Jesus said “a wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign” (Matt 12:39).

    Does “asking for a miraculous sign” COMMAND a PERFORMANCE from God just like the pursuit of supernatural experiences such as being “slain in the spirit”, “Toronto Blessing”, heavenly visitations and visions, etc.?

    The Bible does not endorse people directing the Holy Spirit or teach methods to repeatedly make supernatural experiences or events occur in a style of presumption ahead of God’s sovereignty.

    The desire to have experiences could be a self indulgent avoidance of what God really wants us to do.

    When this disobedience and lack of discernment are combined, people may easily accept counterfeit phenomena from the Devil:

    Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.

    Could Christian fellowships become dens of the occult with things like body vibrations, howlings, apparitions, and visions given by demons?

    Yes, some already are.

    The seeking of experiences could be an attempt to treat the Holy Spirit like a circus clown or temple prostitute for personal indulgence.
    All these wrong things may be tolerated because there is no FEAR OF GOD and poor discernment:

    Prov 1:29-31 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will EAT THE FRUIT OF THEIR WAYS and BE FILLED WITH THE FRUIT OF THEIR SCHEMES.

    Christians should discern and reject fraudulent church ministries:

    2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    Their end will be what their actions deserve!

    1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

    I hope this is helpful for you to consider.

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  2. Hi Seeker3 - thank you for your commentary ... and no i don't think Holy Spirit is a puppet ... so ya can't pull strings... Yet... Holy Spirit likes to hang... and even at Pentecost ... the "we are not drunk as you suppose". but guess what, when i get hit with Holy Spirit.... i'm not drunk as you suppose either, but ... it may look like it. - what's your deal with all the LUST in bold caps. - Guess the only functional LUST - if you will, is to whole heartedly DESIRE more of HIM.... so .... i guess you could say, i LUST after God.. in a good way. Cuz that passion and desire is un- control- able! Plus, did you actually read "The New Mystics"..... the history is deep and it covers both the light and the shadow of experiences as well. I've had a bunch of experiences with God, some mystical, some time travel, some threshing floor. - seen enough of 2nd Heaven to know i like 3rd much better...... but ........ that's a different story.
    This blog is NOT - just a christian blog, it's life, in all it's aspects, some is challenging, some glorious, some.... i could do without. So i guess, preach a way, if it floats your boat... Revelation of the Word is a good thing, just some of the knee jerk, interpretation and application has me wondering.
    I'm just not big on censoring experience, when i know God is big enough to speak to His kids.... and some things are cool for me, that might not be your cup of tea, that's ok. It's a big Kingdom, and i'm sure He can handle things. Blessing and shalom,
    cathryn

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  3. >> LUST - if you will, is to whole heartedly DESIRE more of HIM

    No, lust and revelry are the opposite of self control and respectful worship.

    >> I'm just not big on censoring experience

    If you don’t practice FIRM SELF CONTROL against improper experiences then you will end up committing physical and spiritual immorality (adultery/fornication).

    >> did you actually read "The New Mystics”

    No need to, once I discerned the stench of a FOUL MOCKING SPIRIT that inspires John Crowder’s ministry.

    Since scripture ALWAYS asserts DRUNKENNESS as UNRIGHTEOUS, then all drunken manifestations which are claimed to be from God are actually a MOCKERY of scripture, a mockery of Jesus Christ, and a mockery of the Holy Spirit.

    Prov 21:17 He who LOVES PLEASURE will become poor; whoever LOVES WINE and oil will never be rich.

    There is not a “Godly version” of drunkenness any more than there is a godly version of stealing, adultery or lying.

    1 Thes 5:5-9 You are all SONS OF THE LIGHT and SONS OF THE DAY. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us BE ALERT AND SELF-CONTROLLED. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and THOSE WHO GET DRUNK, get drunk at night. But since WE BELONG TO THE DAY, let us BE SELF-CONTROLLED, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Since John Crowder and others manifesting in similar ways are being affected by REAL SPIRITUAL POWERS, and since their manifestations contradict REPEATING SCRIPTURAL COUNSEL against drunkenness and loss of self control, then the spiritual power MUST BE from Satan and his minions called “familiar spirits”, or demons.

    These are the spirit guides of New Age religion, the occult, and Roman Catholicism (eg. Mariology).

    Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have FAMILIAR SPIRITS, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

    “Familiar Spirits” – see http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=familiar&version1=9&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no

    John Crowder and those who follow his perverted ways have FALLEN IN LOVE WITH A COUNTERFEIT “angel of light”, “the God of this age”, and may have the same destiny:

    2 Cor 4:4 The GOD OF THIS AGE has BLINDED THE MINDS of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    Spiritual drunkenness BLINDS THE MINDS of BELIEVERS!

    2 Cor 11:14-15 Satan himself MASQUERADES as an ANGEL OF LIGHT. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    Rev 20:10 And the devil, who DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Playing around with counterfeit “angels of light” might be BLISS and ECSTASY now, but if not repented of will lead to REJECTION by the Most High God FOREVER.

    The “big party” will occur in heaven AFTER WE DIE, not now (see Rev 19:9).

    Scripture asserts we now have SERIOUS WORK to do while remaining firmly SOBER.

    2 Tim 4:3-5 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, KEEP YOUR HEAD in all situations, endure hardship, DO THE WORK of an evangelist, discharge ALL THE DUTIES of your ministry.

    People who turn up DRUNK at work GET FIRED.

    People who GET DRUNK with “familiar spirits” from Lucifer will GET FIRED into the lake of fire, if they don’t REPENT prior.

    John Crowder’s “HEAVY, WEIGHTY, drunken glory” may be a premonition of the WEIGHT OF A MILLSTONE:

    Luke 17:1-2 Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a MILLSTONE TIED AROUND HIS NECK than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.

    John Crowder’s mocking ministry is not to the unsaved, as they would be repulsed by his bizarre acts which are IDENTICAL TO MENTAL ILLNESS or drunken / drugged.

    John’s ministry is to cause CORRUPTION OF EXISTING CHRISTIANS by encouraging them to mock God with improper revelry, and form relationships with Satan’s minions, “familiar spirits”, and so reclaim Christians for the Devil.

    1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    Matthew 24:10-13 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and MANY FALSE PROPHETS will appear and DECEIVE MANY PEOPLE. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM to the end will be saved.

    Getting DRUNK and FALLING DOWN is the opposite of STANDING FIRM.

    The “slain in the spirit” (falling down) phenomena is not from God of Gen 1:1, it is from “god of this age” 2 Cor 4:4
    The only exception is falling down after being killed by God for wrongdoing (eg. Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11). Slain means being killed.

    Instead of teaching people to FEAR THE LORD, John Crowder is teaching them to treat God as an object to be indulged, like a prostitute for sex lust and drunken dissipation.

    It is deception and blasphemy to associate these immoralities with “the joy of the Lord” mentioned in the Bible.

    Rom 13:12-14 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us CAST OFF the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. Let us WALK PROPERLY, as in the day, NOT IN REVELRY AND DRUNKENNESS, NOT IN LEWDNESS AND LUST, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

    Manifestations from “familiar spirits” might feel good, but IMMORAL ACTIVITIES always do FEEL GOOD, such as drunkenness, drug taking, and fornication.

    Following John Crowder’s ways is spiritual fornication with the devil.

    The only response from participators is either accepting the certainty of DAMNATION to Hell, or REPENTING while there is still opportunity.

    Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the VILE, the murderers, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who PRACTICE MAGIC ARTS, the IDOLATERS and all LIARS--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

    1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

    Proverbs 14:12, 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death

    The “bride of Christ” should not be “two timing” with Satan’s minions.

    Psalm 111:10-112:1 The FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.
    Praise the LORD. Blessed is the man who FEARS THE LORD, who finds great delight in his commands.

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  4. Well thanks for the diatribe, hope it helps that you see it posted. Might want to check out what charismatic witchcraft is ... as you bash a brother in Christ. For that matter, i put the Cross of Christ between me and thee. have a nice day.
    Happy Rez Day!
    cathryn

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  5. I just ran into your blog.. was looking for some of John Crowders teachings.. The meetings in Austin were most Awesome!! I was still whacked today.. like John says "get whacked, stay whacked and don't go back" Hope you two were there.. I bought John's new c.d - Disco Mytica and put the headphones on.. Wowee! We came from Bastrop.. I have been watching them online for a few months and enjoying..
    Llana

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  6. Hey Thronezone......... yup was there... was in some Annie Oakley gear up front... we were semi - host house - my buddy Paul invited them, so i was holding some ground in the spirit and getting filled all at the same time.... t'was cool and i'm recovering a bit today. But hey if your in Bastrop lets hook up.. i'm just round the corner from the church where the event happened. - i stay pretty much off the grid (big church and all that) but we kinda surf in the Spirit.... not just looking for the big waves, but cool quiet waters toooooooo! Like connecting with all different parts of this Cosmic Neighborhood .... and with Kingdom Kids. so shoot me a line. blessings,
    cat

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  7. FIRE! Hahahahehehehehhehehehe :) You stay whacked okay? Hehehehahahha

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  8. God IS in a “box”. You should be too.
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    People are saying “don’t put God in a box” as an attempt to justify the practices of people like John Crowder, Ben Dunn, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn, etc.

    Well, actually God HAS limited himself inside a “box”.

    It is a box called perfect truth and righteousness.

    His word the Bible is also a “box” he wants us to LIMIT ourselves by.

    That is why we should BE VERY CAREFUL to know Bible counsel and follow it diligently:

    Lev 18:4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.

    These laws include moral laws that apply through both the old and new covenant eras.

    The New Testament warns of moral laws that if violated will lead to damnation, eg.

    1 Cor 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (NKJV)

    The definition of sin is violation of Gods laws.

    The New Testament warns of the devil as being “lawless”, which is like operating “outside the box”:

    2 Thes 2:8-9 And then THE LAWLESS ONE will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of THE LAWLESS ONE will be in accordance with THE WORK OF SATAN displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders

    In New Zealand there is an energy drink called “Demon” ( www.demonenergy.co.nz ) and its motto is “No Limits, No Laws”.

    That is an example of “outside the box”.

    Do you love truth, or do you love delusions?

    2 Thes 2:11-12 …… God sends them a powerful DELUSION so that THEY WILL BELIEVE THE LIE and so that all will be condemned who HAVE NOT BELIEVED THE TRUTH but have delighted in wickedness.

    Not loving the truth leads to delusions, or “going outside the box”.

    “Worldy” entertainment is mostly about PLEASURE FROM DELUSIONS, such as indulgence with drugs and alcohol, computerised virtual reality, movies and television.

    Being a disciple of the true Jesus Christ includes INTELLECTUAL DECISIONS to LIMIT YOURSELF within God’s counsel, and therefore to “stay within the box”, when others may be wandering far and wide.

    Prov 17:24 A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but A FOOL'S EYES WANDER TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH.

    All forms of sexual immorality are “outside the box” of God’s created design: faithfulness inside marriage between a man and woman.

    John Crowder is a promoter of pleasure and bliss, which are the delusions from going “outside the box” and CONSTRAINTS OF TRUTH, and in particular the LIMITATIONS specified or implied in the Bible.

    Implied limitations are things the Bible doesn’t specifically mention, but you may be tempted to do.
    For example, wanting the Holy Spirit to give you a tickle to make you feel better if you are having a bad day or are feeling bored.

    Living ”OUTSIDE THE BOX” of truth is the realm of the Devil, of lies, blasphemy, and lawlessness:

    John 8:44 …… the devil… He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for HE IS A LIAR and THE FATHER OF LIES.

    John Crowder and like are dangerous company to keep, or to even defend, because it shows you either don’t know, or don’t care about the truth, which indirectly means you don’t love the true Jesus Christ who has TRUTH written against his name:

    John 14:6 "I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life.”

    1 Cor 15:33-34 Do not be misled: "BAD COMPANY CORRUPTS GOOD CHARACTER." Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God--I say this to your shame.

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  9. Hi Cathryn,

    You're looking a bit purple there, are you OK?
    It puts you in the light of a fortune teller with a crystal ball and voodoo incantations to invoke the powers.
    Is that where charismatic oriented christianity is headed?
    Using Bible verses like spells to invoke the paranormal?

    John Crowder continues to tour the world and encourage associating God with drugs, alcohol and sex euphoria.

    The reason people take drugs and alcohol is to deceive their brain to alter their perception of reality.
    They do this to either entertain themselves, or to try and block out unpleasant experience or thoughts in the real world.

    Following false teaching also deceives your brain and alters your perception of truth.
    The motive to participate in false teaching may be the same – for entertainment or blocking out unpleasant thoughts or experience in real life.

    It is blasphemous to associate drunk or drugged with God, because it associates him with deception.
    Associating God with sex rhetoric is also blasphemous as it treats him as an object to be indulged.

    Living within the fear of the Lord is essential to be in right relationship with him. John Crowder is pushing in the opposite direction as all things charismatic tends to do:
    Improper familiarity of the Lord - see http://seeker3k.wordpress.com/the-fear-of-the-lord

    Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

    John Crowder is indirectly worshipping the devil through his fervent adoration of a false Christ named DrunkJesus or MentalnutcaseJesus.

    2 Peter 2:12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.

    2 Peter 2:22 Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

    Drunkenness and drugtaking has a close relationship with vomit.
    John Crowder is the living manifestation of spiritual vomit.

    2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    Anyone who participates with John Crowder is loving and practicing falsehood and loving blasphemy.

    They should repent urgently or face damnation:

    Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

    Cathryn, the road you are on leads to mental illness, and if you wont get off it God will make sure you end up in a regrettable state so that observers will conclude "keep away from what Cathryn is in to".

    That kind of outcome is how God defends his name against blasphemy.

    Your marriage may not survive the charismatic journey, because the spirit behind charismaticism is hostile to marriage.
    Eventually it requires people to deny their marriage vows to gain closer fellowship with the Lord of self gratification, - “The God of this age” (2Cor 4:3-4)

    I know a woman who did this, she once gave me a prophecy at church. She went deeper into the paranormal, then was guided to commit adultery, and eventually murdered herself by hanging from a rope.

    Jude 1:22-23 Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

    Yours Sincerely, Seeker3

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  10. Ya know Seeker3, i find it a bit disconcerting your implied familiarity with me. As well you continuing to hammer John as you have done. But you've taken it a bit too far this time when you dare to speak curses over my mind, body and even go so far as to speak against my marriage .. and imply suicide. -- i quote...

    "Cathryn, the road you are on leads to mental illness, and if you wont get off it God will make sure you end up in a regrettable state so that observers will conclude "keep away from what Cathryn is in to".

    That kind of outcome is how God defends his name against blasphemy.

    Your marriage may not survive the charismatic journey, because the spirit behind charismaticism is hostile to marriage.
    Eventually it requires people to deny their marriage vows to gain closer fellowship with the Lord of self gratification, - “The God of this age” (2Cor 4:3-4)

    I know a woman who did this, she once gave me a prophecy at church. She went deeper into the paranormal, then was guided to commit adultery, and eventually murdered herself by hanging from a rope."

    The part about "God making sure i end up in a regrettable state"- is NOTHING BUT PURE CHARISMATIC WITCHCRAFT.....(well ALL of that was and IS Charismatic witchcraft... and i publicly declare in the Matchless Authority of Jesus name that No weapon formed against me will prosper and every word that rises up against me will be cut down. I rebuke those word curses and declare their assignments to be nullified and void of all power, form or function by the Blood of Jesus. God has not given me a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a SOUND MIND. I rebuke suicide and insanity. I speak blessings over my marriage and those that i love. Come precious Lord Jesus and cover me ... In Jesus name.. amen.

    As per your statement:

    "You're looking a bit purple there, are you OK?
    It puts you in the light of a fortune teller with a crystal ball and voodoo incantations to invoke the powers.
    Is that where charismatic oriented christianity is headed?
    Using Bible verses like spells to invoke the paranormal?"

    Now that's almost laughable. Come on dude. I'm no fortune teller, i have no crystal ball and certainly don't use voodoo. However the word curses you are sending out in the spirit is exactly that. so spare me your accusations and your warnings. I trust in Jesus, Holy Spirit and Abba God. I am a daughter of the Most High and when you contend with me, you contend with Him. Abba doesn't like it when you mess with His kids, especially His Daughters.

    This is a public blog, so i posted your comments, but i would request that you refrain from speaking forth word curses over me or any of the people i highlight here. This is My blog and i've made it clear they are my thoughts on matters. You don't have to agree- but you do NOT have the right to slander and release curses in the spirit over those i love. This will stop NOW.
    SINCERELY, Cathryn

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